Airspeeds
Placard Airpseeds
|
kph |
mph |
kts |
Glide or Dive |
220 |
137 |
119 |
Airbrakes Out |
220 |
137 |
119 |
Rough Air |
220 |
137 |
119 |
Manuevering Speed |
170 |
105 |
92 |
Aerotow |
150 |
93 |
81 |
Auto/Winch Launch |
120 |
75 |
65 |
Vne Indicated vs Altitude
Message from Gavin Short:
Whilst looking at the (datasheets in the technical section of the BGA website) I noticed that the
Standard Cirrus Datasheet
didn't have a Vne vs altitude table.
I enquired of the author, Tim Macfayden (Member of the BGA Technical Committee and CFI at Nympsfield, UK) about it. This is his response:
A VNE table against altitude does not exist for the Standard Cirrus.
Being an early glass type the Std Cirrus has big margins and very
strong stiff wings. As long as the tailplane bushes are not worn and the
free play of all the controls, especially the tailplane, is well within
manufacturers limits the Std Cirrus is one of the few gliders that has a healthy
safety margin on VNE.
I believe that the method of calculating these figures is to find out the
altitude that the manufacturer did the test flying, calculate true VNE at
that altitude and then not exceed that true speed. The altitude will be
between 2000 and 3000 meters. Assume 2000 to be on the safe side. Then
reduce VNE in proportion to the square root of the density reduction as the
altitude is increased.
I will get the subject discussed at the BGA Technical Committee meeting onSaturday.
And the feedback from the Committee was:
The BGA Technical Committee agreed with me that there is no need to impose a
formal reduced VNE on the Cirrus as in UK conditions the danger of high
altitude flutter is negligible if a little common sense is used. However,
if you wish to, you may placard your Cirrus as per the attached
calculations. Afandi Darlington who used to design Airbuses and now designs
the Farnborough F1 confirmed that this is how the glider VNEs are reduced
with altitude (JAR 22) and that this gives pessimistic figures.
Tim Macfayden is happy for the table to be passed on: 'Yes do pass
this on. It may have more relevance blasting along the Rockies
at 30 000 feet than in UK!'
I have put the table, which includes one for the ASW 20 together with
the manufacturers table for ASW 20 in the files section in a folder
called Vne tables.
Has anyone else calculated or has got a Vne vs Altitude table?
Gavin Short
Dartmoor GS
Brentor, Devon, UK
1/29/03
Tables Calculated by Jim Hendrix:
Standard Cirrus
|
Altitude
|
Indicated
|
(meters)
|
Vne (kph)
|
2000
|
220
|
4000
|
200
|
6000
|
179
|
8000
|
160
|
10000
|
141
|
12000
|
123
|
14000
|
106
|
|
Standard Cirrus
|
Altitude
|
Indicated
|
(feet)
|
Vne (mph)
|
5000
|
137
|
10000
|
132
|
15000
|
127
|
20000
|
121
|
25000
|
116
|
30000
|
111
|
35000
|
106
|
40000
|
100
|
|
Standard Cirrus
|
Altitude
|
Indicated
|
(feet)
|
Vne (kts)
|
5000
|
119
|
10000
|
114
|
15000
|
110
|
20000
|
106
|
25000
|
101
|
30000
|
97
|
35000
|
92
|
40000
|
87
|
|
I've compared the metric table above to the one calculated by Tim Macfayden and found the
numbers to be essentially the same. At most altitudes the numbers are the same or differ
by one kph. At 4000 meters, my speed is 2 kph higher than his.
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