Airspeeds


Placard Airpseeds

kph mph kts
Glide or Dive 220 137 119
Airbrakes Out 220 137 119
Rough Air 220 137 119
Manuevering Speed 170 105 92
Aerotow 150 93 81
Auto/Winch Launch 120 75 65


Vne Indicated vs Altitude


Message from Gavin Short:

Whilst looking at the (datasheets in the technical section of the BGA website) I noticed that the Standard Cirrus Datasheet didn't have a Vne vs altitude table.

I enquired of the author, Tim Macfayden (Member of the BGA Technical Committee and CFI at Nympsfield, UK) about it. This is his response:

A VNE table against altitude does not exist for the Standard Cirrus. Being an early glass type the Std Cirrus has big margins and very strong stiff wings. As long as the tailplane bushes are not worn and the free play of all the controls, especially the tailplane, is well within manufacturers limits the Std Cirrus is one of the few gliders that has a healthy safety margin on VNE.

I believe that the method of calculating these figures is to find out the altitude that the manufacturer did the test flying, calculate true VNE at that altitude and then not exceed that true speed. The altitude will be between 2000 and 3000 meters. Assume 2000 to be on the safe side. Then reduce VNE in proportion to the square root of the density reduction as the altitude is increased.

I will get the subject discussed at the BGA Technical Committee meeting onSaturday.

And the feedback from the Committee was:

The BGA Technical Committee agreed with me that there is no need to impose a formal reduced VNE on the Cirrus as in UK conditions the danger of high altitude flutter is negligible if a little common sense is used. However, if you wish to, you may placard your Cirrus as per the attached calculations. Afandi Darlington who used to design Airbuses and now designs the Farnborough F1 confirmed that this is how the glider VNEs are reduced with altitude (JAR 22) and that this gives pessimistic figures.

Tim Macfayden is happy for the table to be passed on: 'Yes do pass this on. It may have more relevance blasting along the Rockies at 30 000 feet than in UK!'

I have put the table, which includes one for the ASW 20 together with the manufacturers table for ASW 20 in the files section in a folder called Vne tables.

Has anyone else calculated or has got a Vne vs Altitude table?

Gavin Short
Dartmoor GS
Brentor, Devon, UK
1/29/03


Tables Calculated by Jim Hendrix:

  Standard Cirrus

Altitude

Indicated

(meters)

Vne (kph)

2000

220

4000

200

6000

179

8000

160

10000

141

12000

123

14000

106

  Standard Cirrus

Altitude

Indicated

(feet)

Vne (mph)

5000

137

10000

132

15000

127

20000

121

25000

116

30000

111

35000

106

40000

100

  Standard Cirrus

Altitude

Indicated

(feet)

Vne (kts)

5000

119

10000

114

15000

110

20000

106

25000

101

30000

97

35000

92

40000

87

I've compared the metric table above to the one calculated by Tim Macfayden and found the numbers to be essentially the same. At most altitudes the numbers are the same or differ by one kph. At 4000 meters, my speed is 2 kph higher than his.